Who Seeks God?

One of the classic arguments against election and predestination is the argument that we have free will and we all have the opportunity to come to God. But is that really true? This depends. It depends on what you mean by free will. Let’s look at what the Bible says about who will seek God.

First, let’s talk about free will. What is it? If by free will you mean every man is free to choose what he desires then, yes, I agree, there is free will. But if you mean that we have an equal choice with no influence or determiners then no, we do not have free will.

Does this align with Scripture? Yes. The proponents of free will, the humanistic definition of free will, suggest that people come to Christ on their own free will. They make this choice all by themselves. The problem is, Scripture says otherwise. Romans 3 clearly tells us that nobody seeks God.

as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God.

Romans 3:10-11 English Standard Version

Nobody comes to Christ on their own. They, that is we humans, in our natural state do not want God. We want to be left in our sin in our own ways. That is the reality of the human condition.

Jesus told us that nobody comes to him without the Father (John 6:65). The Father has to grant someone to come to the Son. It is the Father who has decided who will be saved, not us. We don’t want it. Jesus also said that the Father must draw the individual to him (John 6:44). The word for draw, literally means to haul or drag. It’s not a simple, “come to me” and we follow suit. It is something God has to change within us.

So is there free will? Again, that depends on how you define free will, but nobody comes to God without God.

27 thoughts on “Who Seeks God?

  1. tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 9:03 am

    I agree that God prompts us to follow Him but we have the free will to reject His promptings and continue on a path devoid of Him.

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    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 10:18 am

      That’s not what Scripture teaches. Jesus says that ALL who the Father gives him come to him.

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      • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 10:47 am

        Does not the Father prompt people to come to His Son? Are not people free to accept or reject those promptings?

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          • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 12:28 pm

            Does not God intend to save all people?
            4 “who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 1 Tim. 2:4

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              • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 12:37 pm

                Not all individuals? If God does not intend to save all individuals then we have to question whether God is all loving.

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                • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 1:53 pm

                  Why do we have to question that? God is love, but God is also just. We do not get to question God.

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                  • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 3:12 pm

                    I do agree that God is love and just. I do not believe that God creates someone just to send them to hell.

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                    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 3:21 pm

                      Let me challenge you on that, let’s for argument sake say your view of free will is correct. I’m sure you agree that God knows everything, including the future? That being the case, why would he create someone he knows will reject him just to send him to Hell? You have the same problem in your case. Unless you are a universalist and believe everyone goes to Heaven no matter what?

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                    • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 3:23 pm

                      He creates people as a pure act of love. He calls people to Himself but an individual has to freely accept Him or not. This includes freely rejecting Him. He certainly does have a foreknowledge of who goes to hell and who does not.

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                    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 3:27 pm

                      So then you still have a problem, why does he create those who will go to Hell?

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                    • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 3:42 pm

                      He does not create them to go to hell. He creates people out of love. He gives one every chance to repent and return to Him but people do not turn to Him. This is where His justice comes into play.

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                    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 3:45 pm

                      No you are avoiding the issue, if he knows they are going to reject him and go to hell, that means he creates them just to go to hell by your logic. How is that loving? Why create them at all if he just knows they are going to end up in eternal torment in hell? You are avoiding that fact.

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                    • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 3:47 pm

                      But look at the initial act of creation of an individual. Is it an act of love or an act of evil?

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                    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 3:53 pm

                      You are still avoiding the issue. I don’t have a problem with people being destined for destruction, that’s what Scripture says is true. You are the one that says that challenges whether or not God is all loving.

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                    • tasdgs March 22, 2022 / 5:06 pm

                      Do you believe that God is all loving?

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                    • David Taylor March 22, 2022 / 5:19 pm

                      It depends what you mean by that. I believe God is as described in the Bible. Romans 9 specifically states there are some that are prepared for destruction. Do you think God was “all loving” to Pharaoh when he destroyed him after hardening his heart?

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  2. etseelye March 22, 2022 / 7:47 pm

    I think that Romans 9:22-24 is helpful here: “What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?” Remember the chief end of man is to glorify God, which man will do whether he suffers God’s wrath or his mercy.

    The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Ro 9:22–24). (2016). Crossway Bibles.

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    • tasdgs March 23, 2022 / 9:01 am

      He gave Pharaoh chances to turn around but he refused.

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        • tasdgs March 23, 2022 / 2:00 pm

          But you also have to realize that he was persecuting the Israelites. If he was not doing that then would God not have hardened his heart?

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          • David Taylor March 23, 2022 / 2:06 pm

            I can’t deal with hypotheticals, all we know is what God actually said. He said he would harden Pharaoh’s heart, and why was he going to do this? It says he was going to do that SO he would not let them go. Not because he was persecuting them. And in Exodus 14 it ultimately shows that God destroyed Pharaoh to show his glory and that he is God. Romans 9:17 confirms this. Pharaoh was raised up for the specific purpose of being destroyed to show God’s glory.

            It then says later in chapter 9 that there are vessels of wrath prepared for destruction so his glory will be shown.

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            • tasdgs March 23, 2022 / 2:34 pm

              Do you believe that God hated Pharaoh the instant that He created him? I do agree that God’s glory was shown through the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart and the outcome of the whole event.

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